Ok here I go again after speaking to my aunt I may have a closer yr to when he was born 1853 looks like it could be it she knows he was born in Douglas IOM. He definetly had at least 2 brothers both of them also migrated one to Canada and one to iether Africa or Asia and if he had a middle name it was Henry. He died in Australia in 1942 aged 89yrs. She has no certificates of when he was born or migrated to Australia. Any assisatance would be appreciated.