Hi Marie, Hope you had a good weekend in Liverpool, lots of shopping I hope. Thanks for all your information i have been able to trace Richard to the son of Mary Lees brother Thomas, we allways thought he must be brother to Thomas son of Mary who`s four years younger but he was cousin, ( all these Richard and Thomas`s) why Grandma raised him i dont know, he must have gone to live with Dad in Crosby when Grandma died. I have found his address on the 1881 census as Sawyers Cottage, Great Crosby. Thanks again for all your help - Sandra