thank you for the info, nigel, jane, frances, I may get to the island next year. Looks like Constance was on the right track re where the Radcliffe's came from, I must know her article off by heart but I still missed the reference to Dr Shaw, we only realized recently that my g-g-aunt Gertie was Dr Shaw's wife. Unfortunately my grandfather died before I was born, so we never knew her married name.
Jane
I have seen a Thomas R married to an Ann Kinread around that time, think it was on one of the sites, Rootsweb or Genealogy forum will send details if I come across them again, you might have gathered that every time I've posted messages re Ballaradcliffe on other sites, Constance comes back to haunt me