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Re: Clucas family Isle of Man
By:joseph clucas
Date: 15/4/2009, 8:03 pm
In Response To: Re: Clucas family Isle of Man (Noelle)
hi roy,
in your handwritten history of the clucas`s do you have any information on john clucas and his wife catherine lord,they had a son philip clucas he married hanah brown in nothhumbria and settled in the isle of man.
i would be greatfull for any info.
cheers joseph
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Re: Clucas family Isle of Man
By:Frances
Date: 15/4/2009, 9:11 pm
In Response To: Re: Clucas family Isle of Man (joseph clucas)
cath lord was probably d/o John Lord + cath cubbon - she was married with consent of parents (both parties of German parish - John clucas signed name - witnesses were parish clerk & daniel clucas shoemaker)
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Re: Clucas family Isle of Man
By:DJDouglass
Date: 15/4/2009, 11:43 pm
In Response To: Re: Clucas family Isle of Man (Frances)
Old Peel
St Peter's Churchyard
#359
Here liethe the remains of John CLUCAS late Clark (sic) of Parish of German who departed this life on the 2nd of May in the year of our Lord 1829 aged 46 years
A loving friend, a father dear, a tender husband lieth here great is the loss that we sustain we hope in Christ to meet again
Catharine CLUCAS otherwise LORD relict of the above who died 9th day of Jun 1864 aged 75 years
Peel Cemetary
Section One
#230
Sacred to the memory of Philip Clucas late coroner of Glanfaba who died October 23rd 1883 aged 72 years
also Hannah relict of the above who died February 8th 1885 aged 56 years
Safe in the arms of Jesus
1851 Peel
Church St
Philip Clucas head maried 30 parish Clerk b German
Hannah wife married 26 b England
John son 2 b Peel
Sophia dau 6 months b Peel
Henry brother unmarried 36 carrier b Peel
Cath mother 61 widow b German
1881 Peel
, 2, 25, 129, CLUCAS, Philip, 4 Orry Lane, Head, Married, 69, Parish Clerk (Church), Peel
, 2, 25, 129, CLUCAS, Hannah, 4 Orry Lane, Wife, Married, 52, , Northumbld
, 2, 25, 129, CLUCAS, Alice, 4 Orry Lane, Daughter, , 16, Houseework, Peel
, 2, 25, 129, CLUCAS, William H., 4 Orry Lane, Son, , 15, Scholar, Peel
, 2, 25, 129, MOORE, Alice Isabella, 4 Orry Lane, Granddau, , 8, Scholar, USA
, 2, 25, 129, MOORE, Hannah, 4 Orry Lane, Granddau, , 3, Scholar, England
, 2, 25, 129, GREGGOR, Jane, 4 Orry Lane, Servant, , 13, Domestic Servant, Peel
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Re: Clucas family Isle of Man
By:Andrea Winter knee Gough
Date: 2/11/2014, 11:23 pm
In Response To: Re: Clucas family Isle of Man (roy redmayne)
Hi ,I have just started researching my Clucas family relative,
He was Phillip Hey Clucas born 1843/46 in Peel and was married to an Elizabeth .They had 2 children -Joseph Hey and Elizabeth Ann .I live in Australia and would appreciate any assistance.Elizabeth Ann or Annie was my paternal grandmother.Thanking you in anticipation.Andrea
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Re: Clucas family Isle of Man
By:JC
Date: 3/11/2014, 1:17 am
In Response To: Re: Clucas family Isle of Man (Andrea Winter knee Gough )
1891
71 Stirling Street, Horton, Bradford, Yorks
Ancestry’s transcription:
Name Age
Philip H Clucas 46
Elizabeth Clucas 37
Joseph H Clucas 18
Elizabeth A Clucas 13
William T Clucas 9
Leah Clucas 6
Arthur B Clucas 3
Herbert Clucas 1
notes:
PHC professor music classical b Lancs Liverpool (but 1871 says b Peel IOM)
EC 37 wife b Glasgow
JHC son musician b Glasgow
EAC dau worsted spinner b North Nottinghamshire
other children b Bradford
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1881
16 East St, Bradford
Ancestry’s transcription:
Name Age
James Duckett 47
Hannah Duckett 48
Henry Duckett 21
Joseph Jeffrey Duckett 16
Phillip Hy. Clucas 35
Elizabeth Clucas 26
Joseph Hey. Clucas 8
Elizabeth Ann Clucas 3
notes:
PHC boarder orchestral musician b Peel IOM
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This is Joseph’s baptism copied from IGI:
Name: Joseph Henry Clucas
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 02 Nov 1872
Birthplace: CALTON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Philip Henry Clucas
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Temple
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Marriage of Joseph Henry’s parents:
Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
about Philip Henry Clucas
Name: Philip Henry Clucas
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 14 Oct 1870
Marriage Place: High Church,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse: Elizabeth Temple
FHL Film Number: 6035516
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PHC died Jun Q 1909 Bradford age 64.
Elizabeth died Dec 1916 age 63 Bradford.
I haven’t fathomed out PHC’s baptism/parents.
Jean C
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Re: Clucas family Isle of Man
By:JC
Date: 4/11/2014, 12:55 am
In Response To: Re: Clucas family Isle of Man (Andrea Winter knee Gough )
It’s a tricky-to-pin-down family so I’ll give you what I’ve found.
In 1901, Philip Henry Clucas gave his birthplace as Liverpool, just as he had done in 1891. At the 1881 census his birthplace was given as Peel, Isle of Man, but he was a boarder and the information may have been given by the head of that household who perhaps misinterpreted what PHC had told him. Having dug more deeply, I believe that PHC was born in 1844 in Liverpool to a Manx couple (John Clucas and Margaret Welch/Welsh) who had married in Patrick parish IOM in 1834, had 2 children in German parish IOM (Peel is in German) and then moved over to Liverpool where they had at least 3 more children including Philip Henry. By 1851 Margaret was a widow in poor financial circumstances with her 3 youngest children.
The only PHC I can find in 1861 who might be yours is a 15yr old soldier. This next bit is pure speculation, but I’m guessing that he learned his musical skills in the army as a bandsman and met and married Elizabeth Temple in Glasgow in 1870. I found a very credible entry in 1871 in the IGI version of the census but Ancestry must have mistranscribed it. I’ll paste in my notes below so you can see what I’ve tentatively found.
I didn’t find John Clucas and Margaret nee Welch with son John in 1841.
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NOTES:
Working on the theory that Philip Henry Clucas might have learned his musical skills in the army, this could be his 1861 census entry:
Twickenham
P H Clucas age 15 private b Liverpool
By census time in 1871 he had been married to Elizabeth Temple for 6 months ---marriage place High Church, Glasgow. His son Joseph was born in Glasgow the following year. So it’s likely that at census time he was in Glasgow.
This could be him:
Copied from IGI:
Scotland Census, 1871
Name: Philip H Clucas
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Registration District: Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated): 1846
GS Film number: 104024
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This is the IGI version for Elizabeth:
Name: Elizabeth Clucas
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Birthplace: Lanarkshire
Registration District: Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated): 1853
GS Film number: 104024
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Can anyone find this in Findmypast ?
The nearest I can find for Ancestry’s version of the same entry is this (assuming that 25 could be misread as 21 and Clucas could be misread as Owens):
1871 Scotland Census
about Philip H Owens
Name: Philip H Owens
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth Owens
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 644/4
Registration district: Calton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 11 Stevenson St
Occupation: Revale Both Fascher (bandsman)
ED: 73
Household schedule number: 52
LINE: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_131
Household Members: Name Age
Philip H Owens 21
Elizabeth Owens 18
(Elizabeth b Glasgow)
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This might be Elizabeth Temple in 1861:
1861 Scotland Census
about Elizebeth Temple
Name: Elizebeth Temple
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: William Temple
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/2
Registration district: High Church
Civil Parish: Glasgow St John
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 12 East John St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 97
Household schedule number: 15
LINE: 15
Roll: CSSCT1861_99
Household Members: Name Age
William Temple 47
Jane Temple 21
William Temple 19
Helen Temple 17
Charles Temple 14
Mary Temple 10
Elizebeth Temple 7
Annie Temple 5
Jessie Temple 3
In 1871 this family (minus Elizabeth) is in Calton in the same vicinity as Philip H Clucas and Elizabeth.
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1851
2 Ct 11 Mile St, Toxteth Park, Liverpool
Ancestry’s transcription (Chigas should be CLUCAS)
Name Age
Margaret Chigas 37
John Chigas 15
Margaret Chigas 10
Phillip Chigas 6
Joseph Chigas 4
notes:
MC widow receiving parish relief b Isle of Man
JC son joiner apprentice b IOM
3 younger children b Liverpool
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This could be the IGI baptism of an older brother of Philip Henry Clucas:
Name: John Clucas
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 11 Jan 1835
Christening Place: KIRK GERMAN,ISLE OF MAN,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Clucas
Mother's Name: Margaret Welsh
There was also a sibling Mary Ann b 1838 but she may be the Mary Clucas who was buried in German in Jan 1841.
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Marriage of Philip Henry Clucas’s parents:
Name: John Clucas
Spouse's Name: Margaret Welch
Event Date: 03 Apr 1834
Event Place: Patrick,Isle Of Man,England
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PHC’s birth registration:
Name: Philip Henry Clucus
Registration Year: 1844
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: West Derby
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 1001
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Jean C
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Re: Clucas family Isle of Man
By:JC
Date: 8/11/2014, 2:41 pm
In Response To: Re: Clucas family Isle of Man (Andrea Winter knee Gough )
Findmypast has a free weekend so I’ve been able to find a good transcription of Philip Henry Clucas’s 1871 census entry:
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First name(s) Philip H
Last name Clucas
Relationship Head
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 25
Birth year 1846
Occupation Private 7th Fusiliers (Bandsman)
Birth town -
Birth county -
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed ENGLAND
House number 4
House name -
Street Stevenson Street
Parish Calton
Town -
City -
County Lanarkshire
Country Scotland
Registration district Calton
Archive reference RG10
Piece number -
Folio -
Page -
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Record collection Census
Collections from Great Britain
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This is Elizabeth nee Temple’s entry:
First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Clucas
Relationship Wife
Marital status Married
Gender Female
Age 18
Birth year 1853
Occupation Cotton Weaver
Birth town Glasgow
Birth town as transcribed GLASGOW
Birth county Lanarkshire
Birth county as transcribed LANARKSHIRE
Birth place Scotland
Birth place other as transcribed SCOTLAND
House number 4
House name -
Street Stevenson Street
Parish Calton
Town -
City -
County Lanarkshire
Country Scotland
Registration district Calton
Archive reference RG10
Piece number -
Folio -
Page -
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Record collection Census
Collections from Great Britain
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Have now found Philip Henry Clucas’s family in 1841, not long after they’d moved over to Liverpool. They were in a house of multiple occupancy:
1841
Pleasant St, Mount Pleasant, Liverpool
Ancestry’s transcription:
Name Age
Ann Goulton 50
John Higginson 26
Harriet Higginson 25
William Higginson 5
Mary Ann Higginson 4
Chas Haswell 31
William Haswell 18
Henry Lancaster 27
Jane Lancaster 24
Frances Lancaster 2
John Clucus 25
Margret Clucus 25
John Clucus 5
Margret Clucus 1
notes:
JC cabinet maker N
MC N
John 5 N
Margret 1 Y
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I’d been looking for a John Clucas cabinet maker b IOM because when Joseph Clucas b 1847 (brother of Philip Henry) married Mary Alice Houghton in Toxteth Park in 1868, he gave his father’s details as “John Clucas, cabinet maker”.
Jean C