Hello Rebecca
I found your archived message about Thomas Mathew Craine whilst looking at his daughter in law, Sarah Jane Webster b 1866, whose great aunt married a Manxman, Edward Gelling, in 1863. I was trying to discover whether there was a family link between EG and TMC.
None of the trees on Ancestry which include TMC seems to have details for his parents, apart from stating that his father was Thomas Craine, so I've done some digging and may now have the answer. By piecing together IGI entries from IOM and Wigtown, Scotland, plus information from Frances's Manx Note Book and some MIs, I believe that TMC was the son of Commander Thomas Crane RN and Margaret nee Kirk/Quirk. Margaret was a widow when she married TC in 1817. Her first husband was John McMaster whom she married in 1807.
TC and Margaret had at least 3 children, TMC b 1818, Margaret b 1820 and John Lee Crane b 1821. Margaret b 1820 married landowner John Moore of Pulrose.
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1841
Braddan 1/11
Pulrose
John Moore 23 ind Y
Margaret 20 S
John 4 months Y
Margery Crane 55 ind Y
Mgt Quilliam 35 FS Y
Isabella Cretney 40 FS Y
Jannett Stafford 20 FS S
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1851
Braddan 2/15
Pulrose House
Ancestry's transcription:
Name Age
John Moore 32
Margaret Moore 30
John Thos Moore 10
Euphemia H Moore 1
Margaret Craine 66
John Lee Craine 29
Jane Stafford 24
Ann Turick 24
Elizabeth Senstarg 18
JM landed proprietor b Braddan
MM wife b Scotland
2 children b Braddan
MC 66 mother in law wid b Scotland
JLC brother in law merchant captain b Scotland
3 servants
NB I think that MC mother in law was probably born in IOM, not Scotland ?
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IGI has Euphemia Houston Moore bap 1 Jan 1850 Braddan IOM to John Moore and Mgt Crane. Also to same parents: John Thomas Moore bap 16 Feb 1841 Braddan, Tottenham Lee Moore bap 21 Mar 1847 Braddan and Merion Mgt Moore bap 1 May 1842.
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Copied from Moores of Pulrose/Manx Families/Manx Note Book:
"John of Pulrose (born 1818, died 1865, buried at Braddan) married Margaret Daughter of Captain Thomas Craine, R.N. in 1846, and had issue John (obit young), Effie (died young), and Marion, the heiress, married in 1869 Bell Graham Williams. Thus the property of Pulrose, after being in the Moore family for 344 years, passed away from them."
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Melbourne, Australia.
In memory of Thomas Matthew Craine who died at Sandridge Road 1st September 1884 aged 63 years. Also dearly beloved wife of above Clara Augusta Craine who died 3rd May 1907. Also Thomas Henry Craine loved son of above died 29th July 1940.
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Your direct ancestor's prosperous life in Australia (emigrated in 1850s ?) would fit well with the Manx/Scots Crane family outlined above. The birth year discrepancy between his tombstone information and the 1818 IGI entry seems insignificant.
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I'll paste below all the IGI entries relating to TMC and his parents and siblings.
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name: Thomas Matthew Crane Kirk Mcmaster
event: Christening
event date: 07 Oct 1818
event place: German, Isle of Man
gender: Male
death age:
marital status:
father: Thomas Crane
mother: Margt Kirk Mcmaster
spouse:
spouse's marital status:
spouse's father:
spouse's mother:
digital folder number: 004504098
image number: 00142
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First marriage of Thomas Mathew Craine's mother:
groom's name: John Mcmaster
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Margaret Kirk
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 23 Mar 1807
marriage place: Stranraer,Wigtown,Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M11899-2
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1068042
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Could Margaret Quirk be Mgt Kirk ie could this be a half sibling of TMC
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name: Andrew Mcmaster
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 16 Jan 1809
baptism/christening place: , KIRKCOLM, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Mcmaster
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Margaret Quirk
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11887-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1068037
reference number: - 2:18FV7C0
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Margaret's second marriage:
groom's name: Thomas Crane
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Margaret Mcmaster
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 16 Oct 1817
marriage place: Stranraer,Wigtown,Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M11899-2
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1068042
reference number:
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TMC's siblings:
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name: Margarat Crane
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 18 Apr 1820
baptism/christening place: , STRANRAER, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND
birth date: 26 Mar 1820
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Crane
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Margarat Kirk
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11899-4
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1068042
reference number: - 2:18HDNDP
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name: John Lee Crane
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 22 Aug 1821
baptism/christening place: , STRANRAER, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND
birth date: 05 Aug 1821
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Crane
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Margaret Kirk
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11899-4
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1068042
reference number: - 2:18HDQ4D
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This looks like the right IGI marriage for TMC's sister (although extract from Manx Note Book above says 1846)
name: John Moore
event: Marriage
event date: 09 Jan 1840
event place: Bebington, Cheshire, England
gender: Male
age: 21y
marital status:
father: John Moore
mother:
spouse: Margaret Crane
spouse's marital status:
spouse's father: Thomas Crane
spouse's mother:
film number: 2105393
digital folder number: 4019005
image number: 525
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Burials:
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MOORE, Margaret 33 Braddan 19 May 1853
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MOORE, John 38 Braddan 12 Oct 1857
or:
MOORE, John 39 Braddan 22 Dec 1858
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TMC's father and paternal grandparents:
From MIs at St Peter's, Peel, IOM in Manx Note Book:
Here lie the remains of Margaret CRANE alias PARR wife of john CRANE march't of Peeltown who died May 6th 1780 aged 76 years
Likewise her daughter Mary CRANE died June 6th 1780 aged 21 months [BR bur 9 July]
Here also lie the remains of the above mentioned John CRANE who died Sept the 6th 1812 aged 80 years
also Commander Thomas CRANE RN son of the above John CRANE and Margery PARR [sic] who departed this life 6th of Feb 1851 75 years.
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Baptism of TMC's father from IGI (some entries bizarrely add the mother's maiden name to the end of the name):
name: Thomas Crain Parr
event: Christening
event date: 18 Jun 1775
event place: German, Isle of Man
gender: Male
death age:
marital status:
father: John Crain
mother: Margery Parr
spouse:
spouse's marital status:
spouse's father:
spouse's mother:
digital folder number: 004504064
image number: 00063
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burial:
CRAIN, Margery German 12 May 1780 PARR
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will:
CRAINE, Marjery 1780-1 German E w 0106396
Summary, copied from Manx Note Book:
1780-1 E831 w CRAINE Marjery parr peel;sons ceasar,john,james parr ,radcliffe,thos + wm craine;dau jane,margery,mary,ann + cath craine;husb john (house,factory);decd mo margery parr
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burial:
CRAINE, John German 6 Sep 1812
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will:
CRANE, John 1812 German E 2 0106415
(Can't see an entry in German Will Summaries)
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Jean C