Sue,
Oh what a fool i feel, yes your correct it was kneale,
henry hargreaves sayle parents were john and margaret hargreaves,
many thanks for that, no wonder i could not find any children,the person im trying to help was confused to why henry and his wife had none,
while trying to compose a letter to salvation army concerning my own dad between 1922 and 1927, i got wifes names mixed up , ; im making the sayles childless as well, thanks